TESTIMONY OF CHILDHOOD SATANIC ABUSE IN PERTH, WESTERN AUSTRALIA .
From a survivor
PART SIX
Ellis: You said your father died when you were 30. That was your real father. What was his name?
Jane: *****.
Ellis: That was your real father?
Jane: I think he's my father.
Ellis: But you thought the other guy ...
Jane: *****. I don't know which one's my dad.
Ellis: There's confusion?
Jane: I mean, well, when I say my dad I mean my genetic father. ***** died this year. I don't know how old he was. My dad died when he was 61 and he would have been contemporary in age, roughly.
Ellis: And what was your husband's name again?
Jane: *****. (Sighs)
Ellis: Going back to the place at Middle Swan. When you looked out of the window you said...
Jane: I have just a vague memory of that.
Ellis: Do you remember any landscape features?
Jane: Well I feel like there's vineyards relatively close. And the road it's on isn't built up with buildings. I suppose you would say a semi-rural really don't know.
Ellis: Have you got any idea of the age of the building?
Jane: Well it's like the era of building, of Swanbourne High School. It's not stone, it's not old, old, it's not pre-fab either. It's not very very temporary. It was an abandoned building that might have been offices. Or it might have been a hospital that they weren't using or was finished being used or it may have been dormitories. (3)
Ellis: OK.
Ellis: Now when we met before, you were telling me about an occasion when you thought that one of the girls that went missing from Claremont appeared at a place that you were at.
Jane: Ah yes. No I wasn't there. My friend who was in a cult and she only told me this after she had gotten to know me very well. When she felt she could trust, she said she hadn't told anyone else.
Well I was telling her about satanic abuse as a child and then she came out one day because she felt so guilty because she was still involved. And I felt horrified, I didn't want to know about it. But because she was confiding in me I felt it was my duty to be open to helping her, if that was what she was asking for, which she was. She was supposedly asking for help. She was asking for help but they had her under their spell, which I wasn't aware of, so that they got her to open the house up. After I tried to help her I got all the locks changed; and I spent all my extra money on her to try to help her get secure. She said no matter how many times she moved they found her and made her open the doors again and they'd abuse her kids and they'd abuse her. So I figured that if we got the locks changed they couldn't physically get in but then she left the window open or whatever. She actually wanted to be with one of them because she was so called in love with this doctor who was doing research in Freo (Fremantle). Now, this group of people were like bikies and this professional doctor was involved and she said that he used to give her injections and stuff. And she said, 'I know who took whichever girl it was. (Jane didn't know or couldn't remember.) It was the people who are in this cult had her. And they brought her to my home. And she was begging and crying and crying and crying and saying 'I wanna go home, I wanna go home,' and they didn't care obviously. I mean they didn't care. And she said they brought her to her home on the way to somewhere else. And that's what she told me.I don't have any details of that.
Ellis: And whereabouts was that?
Jane: This is in East Fremantle. There's a street that Action's (A large supermarket) in. Action's on Canning Highway. It's next to May Street; it's the street west of May Street. I just can't remember the name right now. There's a little bit of bush/park across from this lady where there's an overpass just there.
Ellis: And you also said to me that you had the feeling that the missing girls...
Jane: A strong instinct. Were taken by satanic people, definitely.
It just feels too organised. It's a recurrent thing. You know in the days of Cook, do you know about Cook? The man who murdered women. Well in those days they could pin it on one person. That's another whole story I feel too, but in this situation there's no scapegoat and my feeling is that It'd be a lot easier to get more information about how these girls are disappearing than the police have. My feeling is that they are sitting around pretending to investigate really they're just covering up for those higher than they are. I mean.. I can't even remember why I felt so sure but I just knew through my whole body that they were being taken by satanic, freemason people. None of them (the girls) are bad looking you know. They're not any old girls. They are particular girls.
Ellis: Were you a regular church attendee?
Jane: No, no, no we weren't religious, no. I mean you had to have a bit of it because of **** (school) and to keep up appearances. You know like get the baby baptised and maybe we used to go to Sunday school when we were little, just sporadically, you know faddy, my mum was a real fad.
Ellis: And what denomination was that?
Jane: Ah, ***** down in Mosman Park was the Sunday school, it's Anglican. My mum was Presbyterian and my dad was Anglican but you know it didn't count for anything. There was no talk of God or nothing...intellects (sigh).
Ellis: So did you say that you had already been to the police about some of this stuff?
Jane: When the lady was trying to get away from the cult I went around to her house one day and she said - she was drunk in the morning - and she said 'they've been again last night' and she told me what they had done to her. And she said there is semen on the sheets. And I felt really frustrated. I felt there was a way of really getting free of them and we only had to find the way. And I felt really frustrated that they had come again, and I said to her 'I'm going to ring the police.'
She said, 'There's no point, I've tried it before, they don't believe me and they do nothing to help.' And I said, 'I believe what you're saying is true but in my experience it's better to try again in case you encounter someone who has more integrity. Not every policeman in the police force is corrupt, I don't believe. Individually they might not have any power but they might not be corrupt at the same time. So I said, 'I'm going to try again.' So I rang Fremantle detectives and they came over quite quickly. And I told them the story and she was drunk which was so annoying because in a way the credibility of the situation was diminished by her being so drunk. Anyway I did most of the talking to them and explained that what she was saying was true and that I had been trying to help her for a period of time, and that I had changed the locks. And they were shaking when they were taking notes. They looked really, really worried and concerned.
Ellis: These were plain clothed detectives?
Jane: Two, yes. Well hang on, were they plain clothed?
They were in an unmarked police car, not sure if they were plain clothed or they were in a uniform. I think they were plain clothed, and I looked at their faces. I thought, ' OK these guys are shocked. These guys are really freaking, because they feel there is an authenticity.'
I didn't really know what to think but I knew they weren't blocking it.
Ellis: So what were you actually telling them?
Jane: I was telling them everything that had happened. Like the men had come last night and they had a way of getting in. That I'd changed the locks to stop them getting in. It seems as though they can make her open the door. They'd had sex with her. They've injected her before with needles. There's semen on the sheets. I want you to take the sheets away and have them analysed.
And they left as though they were certainly going to do something, as much as they could. They were really shaken up. And I thought 'why are they so shaken up?' 'Surely if they are legitimate detectives they deal with horrifying things a lot.' You know... Why are they so woosey?
They rang us back immediately, the only leads they had from her was some guy that she said had a...I mean I can take you there, in Fremantle. It's some little take-away bar, horribly stinking, greasy food sort of outlet. Just in Fremantle there's *****or something, that street, ***** or whatever. And it's down towards ***** bank. It's on the corner there. Anyway she knew this guy in there who was affiliated with this cult and she used that guy as her witness to the story being true about the cult. So the police said to me when they finally gave me their answer 'Ugh, this woman's crazy. We followed up her lead and we went down to the shop she sent us to and asked for the guy. No one knew of him or they found him and he said he knew nothing about anything and she's just a crazy woman, you know. The first attempt to do anything about it. Whether they were genuine or not I didn't know. So it all bounced back on *****. So she was just this crazy, loony, loopy person and I said ' Well I'm very sorry she's not crazy, loony or loopy. She has been satanically abused by a cult of people.'
I don't remember whether they came back and spoke to me in person or whether I got sick of waiting for them we didn't hear anything back. We expected to hear something about the sheets, the lab reports or something like that and we didn't hear back. And I said, 'Have you heard?' and she said, 'no'; and days passed and days passed and in the end I went, 'Bloody hell, these bloody people.' So I rang them and asked for that particular detective that we'd dealt with. And over the phone he basically went 'There's nothing here, this is bullshit, can't find any lead on this. I don't know what you're doing getting mixed up with a person like that.' You know like trying to put shit on us.
So to me that was just obvious that, you know why have they changed their emotional response? You know, the first time they came they were really affected by it. The next time they talked to me over the phone the voice had changed to that sort of cold, denying...To me they were involved right from the start and they'd just found out the way they were going to deal with it to shut us up. Or they had gone further up and been told to drop the case immediately. Doesn't matter which way.
It was obvious. They could have gone to the hospital and interviewed the doctor if they were serious. They could have done a heap.
(3) This sounds very much like Swanleigh to me. I have written about Swanleigh and it's church St Mary's in previous articles on this site.
